Saturday, March 24, 2007

Vayikra 1: Pesach

For some reason, this question gives people a lot of trouble; someone asked me it over Shabbos:

How did they deal with the menachos in the Beis HaMikdash over Pesach?

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At 3/26/2007 9:43 AM, Blogger Barzilai said...

I don't understand the question. First mishneh in perek Kol haMenochos Bo'os Matzoh goes like this: Kol hamenochos bo'os matzoh chutz mei shtei halechem v'chometz she'b'todah. So don't bring a korbon todah, and what's the problem? And according to the rishonim that mei peiros are machmitz right away, tosfos answers that the kohanim knew how to whack away at the oil and flour so that it doesn't become chometz.

At 3/26/2007 11:35 AM, Blogger Josh M. said...

People who haven't learned Menachos (or the pesukim...) see pictures of the lechem ha-panim and the other menachos and think that they're chametz. If one is familiar with the halacha, though, it does seem like an odd question.

I thought that the Shu"A says that the problem with mei peiros is that if a kol she-hu of water is mixed with them, then they're machmitzim immediately, which would be a concern in most industrial settings but not in the mikdash, regardless of kohanim z'rizim heim, but perhaps Tos' holds differently (or maybe I'm misremembering the din in the Shu"A). What you're saying would seem to make more chemical sense, though (from the standpoint that a kol she-hu of water should not cause any changes in the fermentation of the dough beyond the water which is already contained in fruit juice) (it strikes me that oil would be different than the other mei peiros in this respect, but that's a different point)

At 3/27/2007 4:46 PM, Blogger Barzilai said...

I checked again; See Psochim 33, that even those menochos that use lukeward water were made fast and carefully to avoid chimutz. As far as the mei peiros, I was talking about R' Akiva's shitta that 'tisoreif miyad,' but Tosfos there and in Menachos 53b say that he doesn't mean chometz gomur anyway.

At 3/27/2007 7:35 PM, Blogger Josh M. said...

Interesting. The opinion that I had brought down from the Shu"A turns out to be that of Rabbeinu Tam quoted in Tos' in Menachos. It seems like Tos' concludes that even though la-halacha we follow Rava who holds mei peiros ein machmitzin, certain sugyos in Shas follow the opposing opinion of Abbayei (which may be the same shita as Rabban Gamliel who holds tisareif miyad).


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